How to Tag Big Influencers Without Looking Desperate

Today on the podcast, we're going to look at how to tag people properly to promote our social media posts. And of course, the reason why we're doing this is because by promoting social media posts the right way and getting more engagement, we put ourselves in a position where we might have more conversations that might lead to more opportunities for business relationships, sales and profit. So again today, how to tag people properly on social media so that you can get them to promote your social media posts.

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Unfortunately, that's the only social media I have. So don't bother looking for me on Instagram, on Facebook, on TikTok or on anything else. So today, how to tag people the right way so that it can promote your social media posts. Now, why are we looking at this today? Well, obviously because as the growth of the podcast has been, the podcast has been growing sharp and my profile, they increase small, small, small. You know, I haven't arrived in quote yet, but I'm getting to that stage where people are beginning to tag me on a weekly basis on posts that they put up on social media.

And you know, I understand the game and this is the game. You tag somebody else when the person has a bigger audience because you hope that without bigger audience, if the person engages with the comment you have created, if the person likes, if the person re shares, if the person carries any form of engagement, then this is going to get some amplified reach for your own posts. And yes, it is a good strategy. So I am under no illusion that for those of you who tagged me,

I know exactly what's going on. I know the game. You're tagging me because I have a bigger audience. OK, well, you know, my audience is, let's say it's average right now because on LinkedIn I have, I think I have 3000 something followers. So that's the scope. You have 20-30, maybe 300 followers. You tag a bunch of people who have 3000 followers. If those people like, if they re share, if they engage, if they comment, then your post is going to get amplified reach.

You're going to see new audiences. And this is a good strategy. I repeat, it is a very good strategy and I endorse it as many of you who can you should be using this strategy. But remember, we're here to talk about how to do it the right way because it only works when it is done tastefully. Let me repeat tagging somebody else who has a bigger audience because you're trying to get amplified. Reach for when they like, when they reshare, when they comment,

when they heart, when they support, when they upvote, when they do whatever. It's a good strategy, but it only works when it is done tastefully. And unfortunately, lots of you are doing it in poor taste. In fact, that's the reason why I'm making today's episode. You can say today's episode is a rant because so many people are doing it in poor taste. Now this is the problem. Some of you are running around tagging an influencer in quote.

By the way, I am not calling myself an influencer because I'm not technically speaking. An influencer is probably so-called because influencers get people to take action. So excuse me, let me repeat again. So excuse me recovering from a cold because it's I'm a town over here. And then my kids also had a cold as well. And then the baby had a sore throat. And you know how it is now when one child brings it into the house, you know, everybody now has that issue.

OK, so I was, I, so I was saying basically that when you tag an influencer, by the way, I'm not an influencer and influencer marketing is a good thing. But The thing is some of you get confused by the sizes of people's audience. So influencer marketing doesn't mean you reach out to somebody who has 3000 followers, 9000 followers, 15,000 followers, 20,000 followers is not about the follower count because you have major influencers and you also have macro and, yeah,

macro. And so you have macro and micro influencers. Yeah, so macro influencers, major influencers, big influencers, probably people like the Kardashians, and then micro influencers, maybe someone closer to my own end, maybe 3000 followers, 1000 followers, that kind of thing. But the key distinction when you're looking at influencers is not the size of the audience, all right? An influencer is an influencer because they cause people to take action.

Influencers are people who move markets. Influencers are are people who when they speak, people take action. So that's the reason why you can say Donald Trump is an influencer or that's the reason why you can't say Kim Kardashian is an influencer because they talk and people take action. It's in the title influence, the exact some sort of influence. So for those of you who are thinking of an influencer strategy, and maybe that's the reason why you're targeting me or reaching out to me, you're too soon.

I'm not there yet. I'm not at a level yet where I speak and then people move. So I'm not at that level yet yet where I move product or I move masses or I move motions or I move people's opinions. So if you want to try and influence our marketing strategy, that is key. You pay attention not to the size of the audience, but to whether these people can move. Markets, can move opinions, can shape opinions can move, can shape the trajectory of campaigns, of agendas, of things like that.

That is what you pay attention to. So if you find someone who only has 500 followers, but every single that person talks when they tweet, when they, you know, when they put out something, markets move, then that person is an influencer. But of course, in my career, influencer because the guys audience or the babes audience, it is small. So it's not the size of the audience, but whether they exercise any influence. So that's the reason why people pay Kim Kardashian the big box and the other people in the Kardashian family because if you get them to OK, like Taylor Swift for instance, there's I

think this thing with her boyfriend where she had that game where her boyfriend proposed to her. They said that that dress that she wore that within minutes The thing is sold out now. That's what we call influenza. She didn't say by the dress, so nothing. She just wore the dress, that's all. Just by wearing that dress, that's all the things sold out now. That's all I mean when we say influenza. So as people you should be looking for.

So those of you where they tagged me, you think I'm an influencer. Like you're wasting your time because I never reach, I'm not there yet. I don't talk and then people move. So when our time comes, you can consider me for your influencer strategy. But until then, So what was I? The problem is too many people are tagging influencers or tagging people with big audiences, but they're not doing it in a tasteful manner. And because they're not doing it in a tasteful manner, they are not getting any engagement.

Not getting any engagement. Well, First off, it's a waste of your time and a waste of your effort. But apart from that, it hurts your posts reach. It actually is a bad thing When you are tagging people and the people don't engage and they don't do anything. It actually is hurting your reach on social media platforms. At least I've been able to confirm this dynamic when it comes to LinkedIn and I suspect is going to apply to other social media channels as well.

I think I was able to confirm that from the is it the LinkedIn marketing show? I can't remember the name of the podcast. It's a LinkedIn something anyway, and that's where I first heard about that idea. Now, apart from that, when you're tagging people who are influencers, you're tagging people with bigger audiences and they are not taking action, they're not engaging. You come across as desperate, you come across as reaching, you come across as all I put it, you come across as obviously inferior status.

And we have to try and do this in a nice way. Like we're trying to reach up so that our air bones, our senior brothers, our sugar bars, our, you know, Big Brothers and sisters in the trade so they can give us small uplift. Both are coming at this and then, you know, begin they look like beggar, you know, somehow. So we guys do this in a very tasteful manner. Now, when I say it's not done tasty, what do I mean? First of all, people just do this thing random.

Like today I just received one random tag over my LinkedIn about to schedule my content. Next thing I saw you know so so so and so responded, liked in the comment that they tagged you. I opened the thing and I read the thing and throughout the whole post there was not one single mention of me, how I inspired the guy or how the guy was interacting with my ideas or everything had nothing to do with me. At the end, the guy just copied,

just tagged a number of people just just tagged them like that random, no reason why. Now I engaged with the guy because you know, I wrote a comment and I said, oh, thank you very much for tagging me. I think this post is really insightful. But then I asked the guy because I'm also, how do I put it? I'm not going to be an idiot about it, but I'm also trying to pass across a message. So I asked the guy up on the post like, how come you tagged me in this?

You know, you're not interacting with any of my ideas. I didn't inspire anything here, and you clearly didn't reference any interaction that you and I have had in the past. So how come you tagged me in this post? Now, it turns out that the reason why the guy made the post was because he was inspired by something that I said on the podcast. But, you know, if he had said that in the body of the post and that was the point at which he tagged me, then me, I would know.

And other people who are reading the post would see that, oh, there's an organic reason why he tagged this guy. But you put up a post and you just tag people random. You just throw in like 8-9 people just tag, tag, tag. You just at them comes across as random. It doesn't seem tastefully done. And for some people, you know, big boys and big girls in the space, there's some people who get offended by that. Actually, I guess seriously insulted.

In fact, I can remember when, back in the day when Facebook was new, I remember this guy NATO. See a lot of you won't know NATO C because he's been out of the game for a very long time. But NATO C was this rapper back in the day. I think he was with Storm, Storm record label. Storm record label used to be Obi Obi Ashika. Because I think right now Ashika is like he's like commissioner for culture or something like that in is he a Noogu state or something?

Like he's a big boy now, show government kind of something. And then he also flows in Nigerians in Diaspora. Yeah. Nido, yeah, Nigerian in Diaspora organization, you know all of that. So, you know, big boy so. But back in the day, Obia Shika had this music label called Storm Records. I think tribesmen want Storm Records. Who again, Anyway, so this guy need to see what's there. So need to see how this song can you big deal, can you big deal.

Shabby, shabby, We're on fire. We're on fire. Shabby, shabby, we're on fire. Can you big deal? Can you big deal. So any number as in some some correct songs like that. I know some of you who say like man, that thing is lame. But look, put it in context. You know, we were just coming out of military era or passenger became president. Niger had on the open up small, small, small. So, you know, for those of us who are youth, young youth by then, like we were experiencing a new vibrant free phase, you know, the world, the world was opening up.

Like we're seeing new teens. We don't, we don't the CGSM, we don't the press computer, you know, things like that. So so you might hear the song now say, man, that's lame. But back then that song was the issue was the correct song. Good vibes. So Facebook was new now and people used to tag NATO, see anyhow, so one day NATO see changed his name. It's of it to be NATO see he changed his name to NATO. Stop tagging me unnecessarily.

See that was his name on Facebook so that the moment you want to tag him, I just do act and then type in NAETO you start you see there. Stop tagging me unnecessarily. Anyway, I don't know his Facebook handle now. But besides, I think he's gone into business now. He's no longer a musician. So I don't even know his social media handle. But the point I'm just trying to make is that some guys, the vex when you do that. So there's some people that you tag them, they look and they see that this this thing is random.

And what they'll do is they'll now untag themselves. And that's where the problem will start. When they untag themselves, the LinkedIn algorithm, the Instagram algorithm, the whatever algorithm is beginning to take note. They will see that this person is creating this post in just the tag people anyhow, no rhyme, no reason. And because of that, it will begin to hamper your reach because remember, these social media platforms, these algorithms are trying to put out content, push content, give it more reach that seems valuable to people so that people stay on the platform.

So if it looks like your content is, you know, Kankama do kind of content, like rubbish kind of content, you know, they'll begin to tap you down, reduce your reach. So all these random tagging, no, they do arm because think about it. You write a post random tagging, you just tag 10 people because you know them be influencer, they get big following. So you tag 10 people and let's say within 24 hours nine of them moved themselves.

What signal do you think that is sending to the LinkedIn algorithm or to the Instagram algorithm? Because backwards algorithm, not only could you remove yourself, you could even tell Instagram that this guy blocker may not tag me again. That is sending a very strong signal to the algorithm. See, our business is hard. We should not be doing things that make our job any harder. All these random tagging that you guys are doing, you know they pay, it doesn't.

So #1 random tagging. That's why you don't do it tastefully #2 plenty tagging. That's why you're not doing it tastefully. You write 1 post, you tag 10 people. How? How did 10 people influence or inspire what it is they put in our post? If you want to tag somebody but you had a meaningful interaction. So let's say for instance, now you want to tag who I go use. Now let's say you want to tag Don Jazzy. Maybe. How I put it, you saw Don't Jazzy at the party, you guys had a brief conversation and from that convo you are inspired, you know, go and put the post up there, you know.

Mention it. At him there, you know. People say that this. Thing is organic, but then because it's from a conversation that you had with him and him alone, you tag only him full stop. It doesn't look not tastefully done. And besides it. Increases the chances that even if he sees it. Maybe he might. Remember, maybe he might engage, but definitely you've done jazzy. You tag him in the post, he goes to check the post and he sees that you tagged 15 other people.

Boner boy. You tag him. Who again? Davido. You tag him, you tag everybody. You think he's going to respond to that kind of thing? Now, he's not the mean guy, so he's not going to untrack himself, I think. But anyway, Sir, let's be doing this thing tastefully, so don't keep it random. And then I'll be tagging people. Plenty, plenty, plenty, plenty. Then remember, this is the game plan when we tag people with bigger audiences, we're hoping to get amplified reach.

We're hoping that the person will like that the person will re share that the person will engage in some way. So can you put some sort of call to action there for the person? So in that kind of thing, if you salute Don Jazzy, you shout him out and because he's a nice guy, you say, Baba, I beg help your boy reshare this thing. You know, some kind of call to action now because don't dress is a nice guy. You know, he might laugh and then reshare or he might laugh and then like that is what you're looking for, that he will reshare or that he will like or that he will comment.

That is what will amplify this post and give it bigger reach because when he likes, when he shares, when he comments, then the millions of people who followed on Chanzy will also get to see your own post that he interacted with. So remember, that's the game plan. It's not just to tag somebody for tagging sick. We're trying to tag this person so that they would like, they will reshare, they will engage, they will comment, they will do something.

So how about putting at least one question there? So like for those of you who are who have been tagging me, you know, it would be nice put a question there. How about you tag me and then you say, what are your perspectives about this? Or do you happen to agree with this? Or how does this accord with your business philosophy? Or how does this blend with this particular philosophy you discussed on the podcast? You know something, it's an invitation to do something because if you have 5 followers of 500 followers and then you tag me because I have 3000 and you're hoping for amplified reach, the goal is to actually have me like the post, reshare the post, or comment on the post so that my other 3000 followers will get to see the post that I

engage with. Ask A. Question. Ask a question in the post. Invite the person to do something. Then. Another way that people are tagging people in posts and it's not tastefully done. OK, I already hinted at it. That's why I say the person that you're tagging didn't contribute to the post in any way or didn't inspire the post in any way. So people can just see that men are just some random, random tagging. And you can see that this is where it starts getting tacky and seeming desperate.

So even your audiences who you are trying to impress, they'll begin to see that man, this guy just they reach like this babe, they reach anyhow like she's grasping at straws. He's just grasping any which way shy. He wants to attract anybody somebody. The thing now starts to look tacky. So let's let's try and be classy about this. Let's try and be graceful about this. So. What was I? Anyway, back to what I said in the beginning, when you don't do this thing tastefully, there will be no engagement and it will not profit you.

By the way, if you're thinking of tagging someone. Why not try? Tagging people who already have a history of liking, already have a history of sharing, already have a history of commenting. Because you attack people and then they see it, they don't like it, they don't share it, they don't retweet it, they don't leave a comment, they don't do anything. Then remember it's going to hurt the reach of the content that you put out.

So. It's a problem some of you don't know, but actually it's a problem for you to tag several influencers and then all of them ignore you. You tag 10 people or 10 people ignore you. OK, the. First time, no problem. But you do that 10 times in a row. The algorithm is watching. The algorithm never sleeps. They will see that OK, over the last 10 posts you have tagged 10 people on average. So, so far, that's over 100 people.

And so far. Over 100 people that you've tagged have ignored you. It's not a good sign. The algorithm is going to read it that this is not valuable content. And because of that, excuse me, it's going to Curb Your reach, is going to hinder your reach. So. The solution, which I've already started exploring some of them is first of all type people who you think might reply. Like I said, don't. Jazzy seems to be a nice guy,

but I won't call some names. You know that there's some other musicians, music execs, if you're in the music field, that some of them that you know that if you tag them they will sort your life and then they'll block you. Some people who. Say any form of engagement is good engagement well. In a technical. Sense, I guess it is, but I don't think any bit. Basically what I'm just trying to say is that's some people that seem to be nice guys.

Tag those kind of people, tag them like me. I know the level of the game and you know, I appreciate helping folks out. So me, I don't mind as long as the thing makes sense. So you want to tag me? Your Instagram post? Sorry, not Instagram. Your LinkedIn post, Yeah, go ahead, tag, because I respond to everyone and I try to make sure that everybody who comes across my way gets value. But before you start arguing people, I would recommend that you build relationships with people because some people ask me, you've been sharing this guy's post a lot or you've been sharing this girl's post a lot.

You know, how come I say, oh now, my guy? Or oh, she's. Cool. This is where we interacted from, blah blah blah blah blah. Because I have built relationships with those people, or rather those people have built relationships with me. And so because of that, whenever I see something, their post, their event, the online session, their course, their whatever, you know, I'll reshare, I'll shout them out because you know, we don't they relate.

There's a relationship on ground. So actually take time to build relationships with influencers or people with big audiences. By the way, remember I said I am not an influencer because influencers are people who inspire action in others. So far, I do not inspire action yet. I have not started moving markets yet. I don't sell out anything yet. So don't include me as part of your influencer strategy. But yeah, you tagged me the thing makes sense.

I'll respond. I will comment. I will reshare. Then. Flattery goes a long way. I'm not saying you. Guys should flatter me. Well, flattery goes a long way. We're human beings. If somebody's minding their business, they're having a rough day. They see that you tag. Them in the post, they open it and they say, ah, so, so so so is the best thing since sliced bread. I saw the person on stage here or I listened to the person's comment here or I saw the person on the podcast there or I ran into the person live at so so and so event.

The person said this, the person said this. These are the thing that changed my life. You know, glowing comments like that. Who doesn't like to see that kind of thing? Now Niger, we do know of course somebody will see that in her smile and then re share. So the other people in the audience will see that. Me too, you know I'd be benefactor that you know, like I am enriching people's lives. Flattery goes a long way. You don't have to use their sweet mouth.

Just talking honestly about simple things that the person has inspired. This thing goes a long way. But then look realistically as well because there's some people honestly speaking, who are busy. Like this lady. What's her name? I can't remember but the podcast is called Afropolitan. There's a husband and wife thing. I can't remember this Igbo girl. She married one. You don't, my guy. Then. Oh, by the way, I was, I was happy to see that to know that their husband and wife, because for a while I've been thinking about how I involve my wife on this podcast because since she's into securities, you know,

there's lots of stuff about investing, you know, finance matters, you know, stuff like that. That would be nice for her to come and lend her own perspective on, you know, because it helps, you know, I only talk about sales because that's all I know. But then there's some other things that are finance related that will be good for other people to hear as well. But then I was thinking about it, but she's my wife now will be somehow husband and wife on the same podcast, like a good day somehow.

So when I saw the Afropolitan podcast and I saw that two of them are husband and wife, I said, OK, no problem. Now myself, my wife can show from time to time. So any wife, he's not around at the moment. So when she gets back, I'll mention it to her, say, babe, what's up? What are you thinking? I want us to do a few episodes together. What do you think? So where was I? So I was just trying to say that some people are busy now.

The Africa Afropolitan podcast is, is huge, is big. I think the last episode that I saw, the last two episodes, I saw one of them, they they interviewed Woozy Tambayo, Abid Tambayo, what's his name? And then they also interviewed the Yoruba actor David Oyelowa, ABI David Oyelowa, Nigerian actor, well, of course, acted in Hollywood movies and acted in British movies. So, you know, those are the caliber of people that they interview on that podcast.

And you know that podcast and the podcast, you get rich, you get serious rich. So every single time they release a new episode and the babies promoting it or the husband is promoting it, you know, one post, they'll get like 1000 re shares, you know, like 2003 thousand comments, you know, that kind of thing. Now somebody like that, she's busy. And her husband. He's busy because man, it's not easy. If 1000 people respond to go through and say you respond to 1000 comments, like man, that'll be hard.

So just be real. If you're targeting that kind of person, the chances that she will see and like and engage and reshare, the chances are low. Because. You know, that's a whole lot of engagement. So. Yeah, just know, in fact, when it comes to this strategy, I know that people want to aim big. But for me, I'll say aim small. Let me explain. OK, Let's like now somebody like me, I have 3000 followers to try this strategy.

Now I would attack people. We get like. Maybe. 300,000 followers because I didn't aim big. Now somebody already, somebody who has 300,000 followers, imagine the kind of engagement they will get on their own post. So before they see my own tag and then respond, you know, chances are low. So The thing is aim small. So somebody like me, now we get 3000 followers and I want to try this tagging strategy and maybe I will tag people.

We get like, you know, maybe 4000 followers, 5000 followers, you understand, because that kind of person, you know, is bigger than me, but the gap not too, you understand, is not too big. And then it's also the kind of thing that the person can see and notice. And then? Engage because the gap not too big. So yeah, let me put it that way, aim smaller. Let me put it that way, aim smaller. So those of you who tried tagging Gary Vaynerchuk, you try tagging who else?

Kim Kardashian. You try tagging, you know, whoever. I. Just bring you down. I'm sure there's some other influences, some other content creators, there's some other people with bigger audiences who are much more closer to your level and much more likely to see and engage with the stuff that you're doing. When you tag them in. Content. So where else? What else? I also said when you're tagging people, please tag with a question.

If you tag with a. Question. The chances are that you prompt a response from a couple of people. Then. Another mistake that people make. Please be re sharing influencer content from time to time. That's one way that you get noticed. So let's say you have 1000 followers and there's somebody who has 2003 thousand followers. Every single time the person post something, you reshare. By the time you don't do I'm like 20-30 times the person, you know, like you're now the person's radar.

Don't see that. They'll cite you like OK, that guy, that girl, every single time I do something, you know, they they support the heart, the retreat, they reshare, they re whatever. So that when the time comes and you do your own, you now tag the person. You know, some chances that person also will. Well, I think they say, you know, karma and one good turn deserves another. So you increase your chances of getting positive responses over time anyway.

So these are some of the ways that we can cure that problem. But the summary of what I'm trying to say basically is that before you tag someone, try to have some sort of a relationship before you tag the person, you now increase the chances that the person is going to like the person is going to re share, the person is going to support the person is going to retweet the person is going to comment, the person is going to whatever.

Just try and build a relationship before you tag the person. And seriously consider aiming small when it comes to these things. So if you have 5000 followers, you know, take it easy. Don't want to be tagging people who have 500,000 followers, you know the gap is much. You know you're like an. Ant you're like a cockroach, you know, Now we're going to see you. OK, sorry, that's harsh, but you get the point. So you have 5000 followers?

Yeah, maybe be tagging those people who have 7008 thousand 9000. We're trying to put the. Alts in our favor. Well, please. Remember this when they sign off with this because lots of people get it twisted. The purpose of doing all these kinds of tactics on social media is we are trying to gain access to new audiences. Because sometimes I look at this thing, I'm like these people, just the person just doing it for numbers sake.

Because the post that they write and the tagging that they do, like no correlation. So it's just for numbers sake. That's the reason why, for instance, you know, you will not see me tag Jon Jazzy because Don Jazzy, you know, music industry, that sort of thing, you know me sales, like what's the correlation? There's no point in me playing this kind of moves and tagging John Jazzy if me doing that will not expose me in a meaningful way to his audiences.

Because no. Connect. No correlation. So the goal is new audiences, meaningful audiences. The hope is that some people will see them mad. They would like you and they will follow you. They will enter into your own domain. So his new audiences is just not about numbers. It's not just the. Numbers. Then. Also remember that we're hoping for new audiences, we're hoping for more engagement because ultimately we're hoping that this will lead to more business,

more people sliding into our DM to say what's up. How far are you available? How much do you deliver to Ibado? Do you deliver to Sokoto? Do you do it in green? Do you do it in black? Do you do it in purple? Do you have 50 kilowatts? Do you have 10 megawatts? We want people to start engaging, having conversations with us because we hope we will lead to more business. So the reason why I'm saying this is please just remember it is not about the emotional satisfaction of having large social media followings.

There's no point in amassing numbers and amassing following for the sake of following. It is something I learned as a wedding photographer. There are some people that I used to look up to. One guy in particular, this guy had mad following. I mean at my level at the time was mad following. I had like. 2000 followers or something? And of course I. Hooked up with a guy and you know we started having one-on-one conversation then the guy begin to ask me for business advice because things are not smooth and I'm wondering how come now on a social media level the guy is looking like a bigger boss 2000 something followers blah blah blah blah blah.

You know, when they ask me on social media, small boy and asking me for advice. So me we're no gear following my business is doing better than you that you have following like who we have who what does it profit you to have following of 2000 people on social media and then probably, you know, get money, you know, get like the money is not moving. What does that 2000 following profit you then meanwhile, somebody that has 500 followers.

That was me back in the day, at least at a chop small, small fuel put in my car. You know, schoolies, NEPA, at least I was. I was keeping up. It's not about the. Numbers, believe me, I've seen it. It doesn't profit you to have 2000 followers meanwhile your bank is empty anytime, any day. I'd rather take somebody who has no social media following at all or small social media following, but meanwhile business traction is on ground now to have large social media following and their bank account. 0 So always remember vanity.

All these vanity metrics are big, don't follow them. I'll be playing that game. That's not the reason why we're hanging out on social media. We hang out on social media because we're thinking of money at the end of the day, money. So it's not the following for following sake. So that's it and that's all for today. Thanks for your time and attention. Remember, if you would like to connect with me, you can call send me a text message or a WhatsApp message in case you have questions, comments,

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