Are You Pitching Like a Beggar? Fix Your Social Posture

Today on the podcast, we're going to look at the question, how do I approach Olga at a wedding without looking like a beggar again? Let's say there's been this guy, this bigger Bros or this chairman or this chairwoman, this big sis, whoever it is, SHA minister, potential investor, potential buyer potential, whatever. The person is a certified auger at the top. And I've been trying to get this person's attention and we're currently at a wedding.

And I want to now approach auger on to now approach this person to move my agenda forward, to move my ministry forward, to close the deal, to do whatever, to network. How do I approach this person at a wedding without looking like a beggar? Now this is a formal question because lots of times in the podcast, my earlier episodes, I've spoken about how, you know, you should not be an irritant. You should not be a beggar because you know, Niger, We did.

You're supposed to hold yourself to a certain how I put it. You know how you rappy would like to say package packaging, you know, you suppose package yourself. So it is a legitimate concern that you're trying to approach someone at a wedding or at some other social function, but you don't want to come across as a beggar. But still you want to be able to move the agenda forward, you know, move the business forward, move whatever it is that is on the table.

Now, before we tackle this question, let's do a couple of definitions because I want to make sure that we're all on .0. By the way, I'm making today's recording still on the family holiday for Christmas and of course I'm at home in the villa. So there's going to be noise all over the place coming through the background. So, you know, if you hear any chickens or if you hear children running around, you know, things like that, It's because I'm at home and everybody's here.

In fact, all my cousins, because mom sees place where we're staying is a place where there's solar because everybody else is using Gem and it's hot in the afternoon and it's hot as hell as in, you know, temperature entering like like 40 something like it's mad Markwood is really hot. So because we have solar hair now, all my cousins, all of them, they keep to come and drop all the children here. As I see all these people see we get this, they drop all the children in the house and all of them took off.

So right now mom, she's in the living room with, you know, like 15 kids like it's mad out there. When I when I finish here, I'll go and join her. Let the LED woman not go insane. So basically, yeah, there's going to be some noise in the background. Now, my name is Tamashimayudi. I'm the host of this podcast. I'm a former lawyer turned business consultant, and I am the host of this podcast, which is the most prolific business podcast on the African continent.

I didn't make that up. I saw it on the Internet. And when I saw it, I was like, yeah, actually, that is pretty true. It's pretty effing awesome. So yes, I am the host of the most prolific business podcast on the African continent. So it doesn't matter Nigeria, South Africa, Kenya, Egypt, where else anywhere, nobody pass me. So if you love the kind of topics that you are currently listening to here right now approaching people so you can move your business agenda forward.

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Please get in touch, especially if you're interested in the series of trainings that we have from the 12th of January to the 23rd of January 2026, where we're going to be teaching people. My business partners and I are going to be teaching people how to sell effectively over the phone. So in this case, we're now talking about how to approach Olga at a wedding. And yeah, there are times for that, but assuming that you haven't jammed Olga at the wedding yet, how are you going to use the phone to approach Orga, to introduce yourself to Orga, to begin the conversation with the Orga, to try and do need analysis over the phone?

To try and see if there's some suitability to transceive this on meeting of minds between what Orga stands to achieve and what you also want to achieve? How do you make an effective presentation over the phone? How do you make an effective proposal over the phone? How do you secure the next appointment over the phone? How do you move the agenda forward over the phone? These are the sorts of things that we're going to be looking at during the training on the 12th to the 23rd of January 2026

so that we can all move our businesses forward and we can move to the promised land next year. That's what we all, we all say, Abby, just like when it comes to December 2026, we'll now all be saying the same, the the same thing about moving forward in 2027. Well, anyway, the only way to guarantee progress and to guarantee forward momentum is to make sure that we're continually learning and we're continually growing. So whether you pay me money for the training on the 12th of January to the 23rd of January 2026, whether you pay me money for that training or not,

subscribe to the podcast and be learning here for free because these are the kind of topics that I talk about over here on the podcast every other day. And that is what has made me Africa's most prolific business podcast because we've been doing this for 5 1/2 years by the time we enter 2026. Now by the time we don't we were nearing like that kind of much, we'll be like 6 years in the game over 1300 episodes. Like I said, it's ever an awesome nobody prolific past me.

Not possible, not possible. All right, so enough of the bragging, enough of the boasting definitions. Now who is an organ? Because there are some people who listen to this podcast who are not Nigerian, obviously. In fact, there was one guy, one Bros who I think is involved in investment banking in America and they listened to one podcast episode. And the way that the guy commented, I could tell that this guy listened to the podcast from beginning to the end.

I was now feeling bad that, you know, I make this podcast for a Nigerian audience. And so because of that, I just relax and, you know, I talk casual and I figure that sometimes I must say some expressions that, you know, Americans or South Africans or Koreans or yes, there are people in Korea who listen to this podcast, you know, surprisingly Korea and China. So I must use expressions that would be hard for them to understand.

So please, for my listeners who are listening in from other countries, please don't be annoyed. I beg Novix. Novix means, you know, don't be annoyed if you always have questions. That's the reason why I give my phone number at the beginning and at the end of every single podcast episode. So for those of you who are foreigners, you can shoot me a message. I listen to this podcast. You said this. What did you mean by that?

And then we can talk some more. In fact, it might even give me some ideas about other podcast episodes that we might do because I might say something, you know, in Pigeon or say something in Yoruba or say something in Hausa or whatever. And there's an interesting corollary maybe in Japan or in South Korea or in whatever. So I can come back and make another podcast episode where we explore some of those issues. So for those of you now listening from South Africa,

listening from America, listening in Korea, Japan, where else? Botswana, where else do people listen to my podcast in Australia? OK. I don't think I've seen Australia on the charts in a while. And you're wondering what does OGA mean since I'm talking about approaching an OGA at a wedding. Oga in this part of the world in Nigeria just means a high net worth individual, somebody who is solid, somebody who is stacked, somebody who has paper,

somebody who has money, somebody who has access to capital, somebody who has access to influence. That is what we mean in this part of the world when in Nigeria says that this guy is an auger, that is what they mean. So that's why right now nobody calls me Auger because I don't have access to capital yet and I don't have access to influence yet. But in another 5-10 years when I reach my promised land, people will be saying have you seen Auger Tarishama?

Because then I will be someone who has access to capital. When people see me, they will see money. As I am walking, bam, bam, bam. People will be seeing pounds, dollars, sterling, just marching, marching, marching. When that time comes, they will call me Orga because I have access to capital. In another 5-10 years, I'm going to be walking into corridors of power and also rock. They will know my name in Lagos Statehouse, they will know my name in Penrose Statehouse, they will know my name.

When that time comes, when I'm a person of influence, people will be calling me Orga because I have access to capital, I have access to influence and I am a high net worth individual. As in, when that time comes, if you open my bank account and you see the numbers there, you'll just be like, yeah, the figures will be so big, it will be painful to see. Your eye will be tearing up, Your eye will be watching because you will have never seen so many zeros in your life.

Now in Nigeria, when we say Olga, that is what we mean, high net worth individual and people who have access to capital and who have access to influence. So people are always continually trying to court or gas high net worth individuals because you're trying to achieve business growth, because you have political ambitions, because you're looking for seed investments, you know, all kinds of things. You're trying to Curry favors.

So that is why people approach orgas all the time. Oh, by the way, for Nigerians, listen to this podcast, don't feel as if Africans were somehow it's a perfectly normal thing. It happens all the time. It happens in every single society because there's some people who say that, oh, because we, we chase after orga here, then choose the way backward, like like backward what? It's just a normal fact of human existence. Think about it.

Donald Trump before he entered into office, America was wrong way. After Donald Trump entered into office, what happened? Everybody got a greet Orga. Even Zuckerberg went to the White House and who again? And what's his name? Of course, Elon Musk was sharp, so he already situated himself in the corridor. Then who again? Now this Amazon guy, All of them went to go and greet Orga. So let's not be saying that Africans are backward.

No, it's just normal. It's normal when there's a high net worth individual and someone who has access to capital and to influence. If you want capital and if you want influence, you position yourself accordingly. So it's normal. It happens in every society. So don't look at it and say that Nigerians are backward or Africans are backward. It's normal. So the English people approach high net worth individuals, you know differently, they approach the queen or the king differently.

They approach private equity players or people in the venture capital space, you know differently. They approach industry Titans differently. So everywhere we have our culture, whether in the UK or whether in Russia or whether in America, whether in Nigeria, whether in South Africa, but it's normal, everybody approaches orga. Now there's some of you who say there's no need to chase Orga because you know God is in charge of your destiny.

Very good. I agree with you 100%. So it's not as if you have to chase Olga to get your business going. And that is part of the part of my own drive. You know, I don't personally, I don't want to be beholden to anyone. So that's one of the reasons why, I mean, I don't hang around Olga because, well, Olga's because when I arrive, when I land all people to look at me and say Tarishma say that any guys self-made. I don't anybody to say he was so, so, so and so's boy.

That's the reason why he is today, because my father was nobody's boy. My grandfather was nobody's boy. My mother was nobody's girl. You won't say that my mother was associated to anybody. So me too, when I land on the scene, I don't want anybody to say he's so, so, so our souls boy. No, I will have boys, but me, I'm nobody's boy. So for those of you who don't want to approach him, OK, no problem. I'm with you. However, there are sometimes that you want to go somewhere,

you want to pass through a land or you want to pass through a highway. Unfortunately you have to greet the landlord before you pass through. So these things happen. So the definition of Anoga, someone who is a high net worth individual and who has access to capital and influence. So we approach them so that we can achieve business growth, political ambitions, seed investments. Now the second part of the question, without looking like a beggar, Good, good, good, good,

good, correct. The reason why we should not appear to be a beggar, especially in this part of the world is because if you assume inferior social status in Nigeria, people will ignore you. In fact, not just Nigeria, anywhere in the world, if you assume inferior social status, nobody would take you seriously. Sorry, I don't mean to be harsh. Remember, I'm Catholic, and Catholic Church teaches that we all have inherent dignity by virtue of the fact that we are created by God.

And so because of that, the president and the house girl equal dignity, equal status as human beings in the eyes of the Lord. So I'm not here trying to say some human beings are better than others, but I'm just trying to be real with you. If you position yourself as a houseboy, you will be treated as such. If you position yourself as a house girl, you will be treated as such. So that is why I beg people, do not start by assuming inferior social status.

You will not be taken seriously or you'll be used as a tool that you are or as you've positioned yourself and you will be disposed of when that time comes. There's a current governor in the country right now in 2025 who is beholding to the current president. I would say who that governor is, you know, everybody knows him. And you know, yes, he's having his day in the sun, in the sun. But everybody knows that once the president is gone, that guy is finished.

Because for his predecessors, it was the same way. They were beholden to the president, although at the time was not the president. And when that time came and they had served their purpose, they were finished. That is all happen if you assume inferior social status. So please, when we approach high net worth individuals, there are things we're looking for. But you are not a beggar. Never. You're not a beggar. So I tell people this all the time, me and everybody else,

we're all equal. The only difference is they have more money than me. I've said it on this podcast before and I will say it again, me and Dangote, we are equal. It's just that Dangote has more money than me. Me, Antonio Lumelu were equal. It's just that Uncle Tony has more money than me. In fact, I remember one time when I was a younger man and then the minister for she, minister for finance. I can't remember Konji Wella.

I can't remember which TV station she was being interviewed on and she was sitting in front of her library. Every single book that was behind her, every single book I had read except two, I was like, OK, me and Okonji Wella looks like we're cool after all. So same thing with Madame Okonji Wella. Me and her were equal. She just has more money than me. Because when she sits and me and I sit, we'll be able to have intelligent conversations about a different range of subjects.

As far as I'm concerned, me and her were equal. The only difference is she has more money than me. You know, she's a mumsy. The only thing I'll say is I'm like happy king and she's talking with her kids, so therefore she would talk with me as well. So please just remember, yes, we need Olga. Don't go over, please. You are not a beggar. It's part of the thing we're going to talk about on the training. When we talk about sending over the phone, there are too many of you that any small thing become subservient.

You begin the grovel like relax now relax, have some confidence in yourself. Poverty is not a crime that you have money. It's not that you don't have money, it's not a crime. It's not a scene, it's not a scene. Relax, calm down, don't be shaking too much. Anyway, let me move from this topic before this thing becomes a motivational seminar. So now some of you are going to ask if I'm not going to be a beggar, what is the right posture?

And I'm using this word deliberately posture because it even shows in our posture, the way we carry ourselves. The right posture in Nigeria is difference we defer. Here we have a culture of deferring to people who have age, deferring to people who have expertise, deferring to people who have religious authority, deferring to people who have wealth or a certain amount of social recognition. So The thing is we differ but we do not do more than that.

Groveling is taking it to another extent. So for those of us who watch Indian movies, you see how Indian movie now the Olga Hobie is sitting on the chair. The guy comes in. Technologies is you know, you bend down, you touch the shoe. When you touch your shoe, the man will say, my son, rise. When you rise, he'll point to the chair, sit down. When you sit down, you now start discussing business. You came in, you deferred to your senior.

It is now time to talk business. That's all. When you start groveling, when you start worshipping the sun and the moon, worshipping the ground on which somebody walks. Anyway, sorry, forgive me. This name vexes me. Seriously, because we're chasing money, some people turn themselves to beggars. So in Nigeria, what we have is a culture of difference. Defer to your senior. That's it. Good morning, Sir. Good morning, Madam.

Good morning, Chief. Good morning, Cabbiesy. Good morning. Obviously, you know, whatever it is in your language, you defer. But then that is it should walk into the room confidently. Use the appropriate greetings, use the appropriate modes of address and the appropriate cultural norms, norms. So for those of you who are Yoruba, where it is appropriate for you to prostate, prostate is fine. It's just your culture. It doesn't mean nothing.

So just like I gave the Indian example, if you don't believe me, watch Indian movies. They touch people's leg. You come in, you touch baba's leg or you touch mama's leg. Mama will say right? And then sit down. You now say, hey Mama, the reason why I came here. And then you start talking. So for tea people and some of the tribes in the North Central where you, you come in and you squat before your senior. It's like that.

You come and you squat and you address you. You hail your senior. Your senior will say rise. For tea people, if the person is taking you seriously, they'll pass the chair to their left. You come and sit down next to them side by side. You now know that we're making progress. Now it's time to talk. By the way, this is one of those cultural things. And that's why I say be careful when you read culture or cultural books because like books written in the West that we'll talk about how you copying, you shake somebody's hand confidently and then you sit at the table opposite them.

But I mean, that's good if you're talking about being in the West, but in this part of the world, things work a little differently. In fact, in tea culture, if you sit across from someone on the table, sometimes it's adversarial or it's distant. So if you enter the room and the high net worth individual says I have come and sit here and the tap to the left actually is a good thing, they are sitting next to each other.

So just remember, there's lots of cultural nuance when it comes to these sorts of things. But the right posture is walk in with confidence, use the appropriate greeting, use the appropriate address, defer to people who are your senior and that's it. It's a good place to start. More confident. Please remember, yes, you don't have money, but you're a child of God. You're a human being. You're not a beggar. How will I put it?

You didn't wake up from under the bridge like you've had your breakfast and you know where your lunch and dinner is coming from, even if you don't know where, how you're going to sort out next week. This person is not the person who has your existence in his life. So showing it doesn't have your, your, your sustenance in your hand is God who is in charge of a sustenance. So show up, defer appropriate greeting, appropriate address.

Then there's another aspect of the question. How do you approach Olga at a wedding without looking like a beggar? OK, so now this is where I will. Now how will I put it? OK, then put it like this. Is a wedding the right place to be approaching Olga? I mean, we need to think about it seriously, because people do this all the time. I see it at weddings, the father of the bride walks in, walks in, let's say he's done with his daughter is getting married.

Of course some people have been trying to get to done with it for years. And so now that they've been invited to the wedding, now is the time they think that they can pounce. So next time you're at the wedding and you know any of these orgasm around high net worth individuals, just sit back and watch. Have you seen the number of people that approach them 20304050 on the way in, on the way out, another 20304050? Seriously speaking, do you think you stand a chance of making a good impression in that kind of arena?

I really don't think because Chief is here, you might never get another chance. I really don't think now is the best time to approach Chief. Now is the best time to approach Madam. Now is the best time to approach Deaconess or how Honourable Minister of Finance or I. I'm not sure if this is the right time because the wedding is a social engagement. So whether it's a wedding or a daming ceremony or a betrothal or whatever, I really don't think it's the right time because when it comes to social engagements, business and networking are not the priority.

Yes, there's some shoulder rubbing, some social signalling and some stuff going on, but that is not the primary priority. So I really don't think weddings and social places are the right place. What I think we should be trying to do rather is to try and look for warmer introductions with people or parties who have, you know, that we mutually respect people who have access. So I'm talking about how one day, you know, me and Dan, we're going to be chilling together,

you know, going on, you know, on our yards and me and Uncle Tony. So before that time comes, my goal is not to ambush Dangote at his daughter's wedding or to go and catch Uncle Tony at his own daughter's wedding. What is grandson's naming ceremony or something? If I can get a warm introduction in other contexts, even in the wedding self, if I can get a warm introduction and I just show face, I think that's OK to begin with.

Honestly speaking, I don't think you're going to make progress at that wedding discussing anything. However, I recognize that, you know, sometimes it's as if, Oh yeah, you only get one shot. Now is the time. So if you have no other shot apart from the wedding reception, apart from the wedding festivities, you need to pick a right time. Church is definitely, I don't think it's the right time. If I remember one time I saw this actress, what's her name?

She used to be famous. I can't remember her name. Anyway, she's from a famous family in the East. Her father is an Archbishop. And so she was big when I was a teenager. And then when at one time I was in Saint Louis in Ikeja, and then I saw her, I didn't even know she was Catholic. So I went to approach her just to have a conversation. And then she was like, oh, young man, this is not the appropriate time. Please. You know, we're just about to begin Mass.

I said, oh, fine, that's not a problem, I'll see you after Mass. She said, OK, no problem. And then before Mars finished, she disappeared. I said look at this woman. She put a sharp one on me. Anyway, I was like, so picked the right time. During the service, probably not the right time. Let's see, what else? During Thanksgiving, probably not the right time. Too much noise, too much music. At the wedding, when the bride and the groom are marching in,

Probably not the right time. When dignitaries are marching in and being acknowledged, probably not the right time. So, you know, pick the right time when music, not too loud, activity, no day too much. And Olga has some quiet time to himself because that time in the beginning when people are marching in and 20304050 people are trying to get his attention and when he's leaving and 20304050 people are trying to get his attention is really not the right time.

Then you'll be like a fly when in the past when people used to say, oh, I'm sorry, I can't remember. I'm sorry, I can't remember. I used to think they were full of themselves on to when I was getting married. Now when I was getting married, of course you're dancing in with wifey and people come and greet you. Look till today there are people who still say, oh, like I was at your wedding. Something something like I cannot remember them at the wedding.

I can't until I see the picture like this person was truly there. We want to picture see us on the dance floor. So there are lots of people who have my wedding, I can't remember. Also people who had conversations with that wedding, I can't remember. So this one is just normal. So if somebody is giving you that kind of vibe, no, that it's not necessary that they're forming like the the big dog, you know, it's just it's just natural.

Are these social engagements people call people go, you will greet like 500 people that day, so you won't remember. So right timing. Hopefully you've had a warm introduction before then. Now though, guys are the wedding reception. Remember the conversational framework that we use over here on the podcast? And again, this conversational framework is not something I created. I think it's, I can't remember if it's Grant Cardone or Brian Tracy.

But The thing is, since I discovered it and I've been using it never failed me. So greeting, intention, question, proposal, close five steps. I'll be easy. Four steps, greeting, intention, question, proposal, close five OK, that's five steps. So greeting you use the appropriate greeting. Remember the appropriate greeting will be contextual. It depends on your culture. It depends on the relationship that you have with the person.

You know, all those sorts of things. So greeting can be good morning Sir. You could also be cabbiesi. You could also be mommy long time. You can also be it depends whatever the appropriate greeting is, use it. Then of course, you know, be a human being. If this is the orga's son or daughter getting married or grandbaby also. I mean, do the pleasantries. Congratulations that you know, May God bless our families. Our children will grow up where this that that that that, you know, Courtney budget is that you know, especially Yoruba people, you know how you do it now.

So although all of those things show up appropriate greeting, congratulations, what of blessings, you know, what of you know, just normal rapport then intention, state your intention. You cannot discuss anything serious at this wedding. The intention is you're trying to secure a brief meeting after the wedding, after the naming ceremony, after the baptism, after the whatever so that you can discuss XYZ. So when you get chief or you get honourable Minister of Finance,

when you're able to get her ear, that is your intention. Mommy, no vex, you know, I know this is not the appropriate place, but I beg, I would like to see you to discuss this is this and that that you know, can I get some time later? That's just the approach. The goal is get secure a meeting after the social event so that you can discuss whatever ideas that you have on your mind. Then question stage. In this case, the question is going to be very simple.

Can I call your PA? If you're talking to Chief himself, you say can I call mummy because it might be more accessible to call mommy after the engagement. When I say mommy, I mean you know his wife or the other way around. If you're talking to Audible, minister for finance and maybe the mutual person I introduced to people is, you know, her younger sister or something, you know, can you call busy after this? Can you call the secretary?

Can you call whoever the mutual contact is so that you can set up a meeting? That's the question that you're going to ask. You want permission. Now, I've spoken about how on the podcast, about how for me, when I'm dealing with high net worth individuals, you know, this Niger is a little bit too forward to ask people for their phone numbers. So if I'm in front of Dangote, it's a little somehow for me to ask Dangote for his phone number or to ask the president for his phone number.

But there's absolutely no problem with me asking if I can collect an attache's phone number or APA's phone number. So when I'm dealing with high net worth individuals, you know, I get as many phone numbers as possible for the, I think was for the minister of I think women affairs and something, something, something a while ago. Luckily for me, actually it was her military. I don't know what you call them, those people that carry going and following them up and down.

So was the guy who collected my own phone number. And I said, OK, cool, that works for me. So PA, I'll collect the phone number, attache, I'll collect the phone number, collect as many phone numbers as possible so that I can secure the meeting later or so that I can have easy entry into the compound later on. Because you know how it is now you have secured the meeting, you get to the house, but then the security and all that try to get inside now will be a problem.

So that's the reason why I collect everybody's phone number. So by the time I get to the gate, let's say APA said yeah, show up 10 o'clock 10:00 I'm there but the MPA's number is not going through no problem. If I have the military attache's phone number, I'll call him now. So bravo. Now of course you won't remember who you are. Let me know that guy. So I'll say hey, oh how blah, blah blah. So my dad was actually come at 10:00 now I'm outside the house.

So is it me? I know enter say hey, who is there and guessing him? I bio give bio the phone and that's how I get I get into the building. Now, this was really, really important for me because remember that even though I'm a former lawyer, I started off my business as a wedding photographer. And you know, these things happen. Weddings are very, very busy and you know, you have to get into places. You have to be able to get into the bride's Popsy's house or you have to be able to get into the hotel room.

You have to be able to move here, move here, move there, move freely in the hotel or in different parts of the house, you know, things like that. So I need access. So as I had I, I really had to learn this thing, you know, sharp, sharp, sharp, get in, be respectful, have the attaches phone number. You'll be cool with the security guard, be cool the house girl, be cool with everybody so that I can just move freely. So that won't be that I'm leaving the living room to go to the room to go and take pictures of the bride.

And then, you know, maybe now the house girl will now start, you know, checking me, you know, blocking the way, like, where are you going? You know? So anyway, in fact, that's why I enjoyed wedding photography because it helped me to flex some social muscles that I didn't have at the time. So I quickly had to learn all these things, you know, respect everybody beyond people's good terms, you know, relate with everybody like a human being,

you know, deal with them on an equal basis, collect everybody's phone number, gain access to to places. So how did I get here? OK, yeah. So the point I'm trying to make was this. When you're talking with Olga, you're just trying to ask if it's OK for you to call the PA, to call mommy, to call secretary, to call, press Attache to call whoever it is. Once they give you permission, you collect PA's number right there and then.

In fact, I prefer to collect PA's number in the presence of Orgasso. As Orgas says it. I am bringing up my phone and I look to the PA and then, you know, I collect the number straight right there and then. The PA is not going to store your number. Don't worry, this is just normal. But you collect PA's phone number, then proposal. Proposal is where you try and put something on the table. So Sir, when people traveling back to Lagos, when I drive back to Obama shore, OK, you're traveling back on Tuesday,

Wednesday. OK, no problem. I've clicked the PA's number, I've clicked the buyers number. Then you now try and close to close is try and get people to come into something. Sir, is it OK if I call bio Saturday morning and I come by the house? That's it. You're trying to close on something now because this is a social engagement. You know, it's nice if the PA has the diary there to confirm a meeting for you and stuff like that.

So ready to wait that you show up at 10:00, August at 10:00. But be ready to to wait. It's just normal. You show up at 10, you know other people will be there or guy has gone somewhere, you know, maybe you might see him at two or three. He's just one of those things. So when you go, make sure you take your phone with you so you can listen to podcasts and make sure I listen to my own podcast. So while you're waiting for Chief, you're learning one or two things, but that is the close you're trying to get them to commit to a date and to commit to a time or to a certain range.

Oh, Please remember what I said. Oh, I really don't think wedding is the place, but I understand that well, how for do is now or never. So greeting, appropriate greeting, small rapport, congratulations, Happy New Year, God to bless our children, blah, blah, blah. Intention, Sir. Mommy no vex I beg I'd like to have a small meeting with you concerning this this this after the wedding. The question you will ask can I call tondy can I call mommy can I call secretary can I call this can I call that can I blah blah blah to set up a meeting after this thing is done they say yes proposal Sir when I traveling back to Auburn Montreal in that case can now call currently on Saturday morning 9:00 AM when you go there be ready to wait.

Go with the podcast, you know, go with your keyboard, go with something so you can get some work done. And hopefully when you're now in the presence of chief or when you're now in the presence of the honourable minister for finance, but when you're now in the presence of, you know, cabbies, So, so, so, so hopefully then you'll be able to get some work done. But honestly, the wedding, I don't think that's the place. Now.

There are times when people do that sort of thing, like for Zelensky, that's Prime Minister for Ukraine. I think for Zelensky and Donald Trump, there was that famous picture of them at the burial of, of the Pope, Pope Francis, both of them talking the burial of Pope Francis, you know, so sometimes it happens that, you know, now or never or guys here me, I'm here, you know, shop, shop you just because they just took chairs to 1 corner and they had a shop, shop meeting.

So there are times that it happens and when that happens, you know, be prepared. But that is is not the typical thing. So if you're chasing Donald Trump, chances are you're not going to be able to talk anything serious at that event. This year's talk is going to be after. But of course, you know, be ready so that if it's a Zelensky moment and you know, and Trump are talking, you can start talking one or two things. But my own opinion, I still maintain social events, probably not the best time.

The best thing we can do is try and get an appointment for afterwards. So that's it. Let's see, have I left anything else, anything else? OK, so that's it. Thank you very much for listening. Remember, if you'd love to connect, you can call, send me a text message or send me a WhatsApp message on 08064662140. If you are interested in the training from the 12th of January to the 23rd of January 2026, please reach out as well.

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What are the right tactics? What are the right? It has to be granular. That's why I don't do pre recorded. I don't believe in recording courses. And I say all of you go out and watch then from there one answer question. Then from there when I give you certificate, No, because I want to be relevant, I want to be practical and I want to make sure that by the time we're done with the training, there is one or two things that you can do tomorrow morning to start moving your business forward.

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